Arizona Fall League:
RF Chih-Hsien Chiang: 3 G, 10 AB, 2 R, 2 H, 2B, 2/3 K/BB, .200/.385/.300
RHP Steven Hensley: 0-0, G, 67.50 ERA in 0.2 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 1/1 K/BB
LHP Danny Hultzen: 0-0, GS, 4.50 ERA in 2.0 IP, 3 H, R, 2/1 K/BB
SS Nick Franklin: 3 G, 8 AB, 2 R, SB, 3/4 K/BB, .000/.333/.000
C Adam Moore: 2 G, 7 AB, R, H, RBI, 4/2 K/BB, .143/.333/.143
LHP Brian Moran: 0-0, 2 G, 9.00 ERA in 2.0 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 3/2 K/BB
RHP Forrest Snow: 1-0, GS, 0.00 ERA in 3.0 IP, 3/0 K/BB
It's that time of year again. The time in which we look at numbers with limited context and try to make sense of them. The first league opening, as ever, is the Arizona Fall League and let me be the first to say, their new site is just awful. Sure, it has a colour scheme, and I suppose that's novel. We all had our laughs with that when we first started piecing together things in html. But you know what it doesn't have? Team stats pages. You want to find anything? Simply navigate through the leaderboards for pitching and hitting and then sort by team and hope that you find what you're looking for soon. Oh wait. You can't do that with the hitters. Because the columns only appear to be capable of sorting. Ctrl + F it is. Arrrrrrrrggggggggg. Honestly, you're probably better off just going to the roster page and clicking through to each individual player page. You'd think that they'd have basic functionality down by the start of the season, but no. Now that I've complained about it, they'll probably fix it promptly and people were wonder what I was on about.
Since I'm coming at it a few days late, my attentions having been otherwise engaged with grad school, I don't have much to say about Hultzen's debut aside from to point everyone to Jeff's post and marc's post, which really tears the heck out of the numbers. In brief, he was 92 on average with the heater and touched around 94 while throwing the change-up more often than the breaking pitch. Surely, that means something. What that is, I suppose we'll have to get to later. What I found interesting in the whole affair is that to open the second inning, he gave up a double… on a pop-up to Franklin (did everyone just fall down or something or was the runner that fast?)… and then said runner scored on two wild pitches. That's the kind of game log info that you look at and think, "really?", but debuts aren't much to take data from. People only remember the really good ones and the really awful ones and it isn't especially predictive of future success. Greg Dobbs is the only Mariner to have ever hit a home run in his first major league at-bat. Let's be realistic here.
To talk about some other stuff, Snow seems to be in the rotation at the moment, which wasn't something I was really expecting with him switching to relief late in the year. I'm not saying Snow is a reliever of course, but you know, innings and all. Even so, you're probably going to see something like thirty innings from him at most and probably something more like twenty and change. One thing that amuses me about the line is that Snow pitched three innings in the start and was still awarded the win. The official scorer doesn't seem to care either. Hensley and Moran were both bad this week, but two relief outings aren't really indicative of anything just yet.
That means we're now looking at less than or equal to ten at-bats worth of data on each of our hitters. And you may be looking at that and saying to yourself, "wow, four walks for Franklin and three for Chiang, with two for Moore in just two games? Everything is amazing!" And you know what? In the short-term, I can allow that. Franklin is tied for the league lead there, along with one other dude who played in a fourth game. There are twelve guys tied with Chiang for three walks, but five of them have had four games to work with (three did it in two). I'm sure that the divides will widen over the course of the season, but at the outset it seems as though there is a kind of mandate emphasizing patience, possibly pushed down by Alonzo Powell at hitting coach. It would be totally awesome if it came accompanied by demonstrable hitting prowess, but we'll take what we can get for the moment.
One final thing to add is that I threw together a winter league preview at USSM because it had been some weeks since I had last posted there. This update might be a lot bigger next week, but it might also be late because I'm flying to New York for a wedding next weekend and then returning from that (the wedding is on Sunday, not Saturday, for some reason) to go directly to a class on Monday. no comments
RF Chih-Hsien Chiang: 3 G, 10 AB, 2 R, 2 H, 2B, 2/3 K/BB, .200/.385/.300
RHP Steven Hensley: 0-0, G, 67.50 ERA in 0.2 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 1/1 K/BB
LHP Danny Hultzen: 0-0, GS, 4.50 ERA in 2.0 IP, 3 H, R, 2/1 K/BB
SS Nick Franklin: 3 G, 8 AB, 2 R, SB, 3/4 K/BB, .000/.333/.000
C Adam Moore: 2 G, 7 AB, R, H, RBI, 4/2 K/BB, .143/.333/.143
LHP Brian Moran: 0-0, 2 G, 9.00 ERA in 2.0 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 3/2 K/BB
RHP Forrest Snow: 1-0, GS, 0.00 ERA in 3.0 IP, 3/0 K/BB
It's that time of year again. The time in which we look at numbers with limited context and try to make sense of them. The first league opening, as ever, is the Arizona Fall League and let me be the first to say, their new site is just awful. Sure, it has a colour scheme, and I suppose that's novel. We all had our laughs with that when we first started piecing together things in html. But you know what it doesn't have? Team stats pages. You want to find anything? Simply navigate through the leaderboards for pitching and hitting and then sort by team and hope that you find what you're looking for soon. Oh wait. You can't do that with the hitters. Because the columns only appear to be capable of sorting. Ctrl + F it is. Arrrrrrrrggggggggg. Honestly, you're probably better off just going to the roster page and clicking through to each individual player page. You'd think that they'd have basic functionality down by the start of the season, but no. Now that I've complained about it, they'll probably fix it promptly and people were wonder what I was on about.
Since I'm coming at it a few days late, my attentions having been otherwise engaged with grad school, I don't have much to say about Hultzen's debut aside from to point everyone to Jeff's post and marc's post, which really tears the heck out of the numbers. In brief, he was 92 on average with the heater and touched around 94 while throwing the change-up more often than the breaking pitch. Surely, that means something. What that is, I suppose we'll have to get to later. What I found interesting in the whole affair is that to open the second inning, he gave up a double… on a pop-up to Franklin (did everyone just fall down or something or was the runner that fast?)… and then said runner scored on two wild pitches. That's the kind of game log info that you look at and think, "really?", but debuts aren't much to take data from. People only remember the really good ones and the really awful ones and it isn't especially predictive of future success. Greg Dobbs is the only Mariner to have ever hit a home run in his first major league at-bat. Let's be realistic here.
To talk about some other stuff, Snow seems to be in the rotation at the moment, which wasn't something I was really expecting with him switching to relief late in the year. I'm not saying Snow is a reliever of course, but you know, innings and all. Even so, you're probably going to see something like thirty innings from him at most and probably something more like twenty and change. One thing that amuses me about the line is that Snow pitched three innings in the start and was still awarded the win. The official scorer doesn't seem to care either. Hensley and Moran were both bad this week, but two relief outings aren't really indicative of anything just yet.
That means we're now looking at less than or equal to ten at-bats worth of data on each of our hitters. And you may be looking at that and saying to yourself, "wow, four walks for Franklin and three for Chiang, with two for Moore in just two games? Everything is amazing!" And you know what? In the short-term, I can allow that. Franklin is tied for the league lead there, along with one other dude who played in a fourth game. There are twelve guys tied with Chiang for three walks, but five of them have had four games to work with (three did it in two). I'm sure that the divides will widen over the course of the season, but at the outset it seems as though there is a kind of mandate emphasizing patience, possibly pushed down by Alonzo Powell at hitting coach. It would be totally awesome if it came accompanied by demonstrable hitting prowess, but we'll take what we can get for the moment.
One final thing to add is that I threw together a winter league preview at USSM because it had been some weeks since I had last posted there. This update might be a lot bigger next week, but it might also be late because I'm flying to New York for a wedding next weekend and then returning from that (the wedding is on Sunday, not Saturday, for some reason) to go directly to a class on Monday. no comments
For the past couple of years, Vinnie Catricala has hit well in whichever league he's ended up in, but when the time came to make the lists following the season, the BA people have left him out and any questions about him were answered with a prolonged "ehhhhhhh." Tenth-round picks aren't expected to do too much, perhaps be above-average organization players, and that Catricala was a college pick and has been a little old for the level for some time. I suppose that it took a combined 1.021 OPS over two levels, and being better in double-A than advanced-A, for them to concede that he's indeed a decent looking prospect and put him at #15 on their Southern League Top 20.
This has spurred one of the first real discussions of Catricala's tools that I've seen, which I think is probably worth touching on. The hitting is fine, from the tools to the approach, no one is worried about the hitting, but the defense is where people start having trouble with him. We've been able to infer some of this from his shuffling between third, first, and left field. In my experience, people weren't ever talking much about his defense before this, which is usually a bad sign as you want someone who can visibly pick it at third. Here, we have some confirmation and not of the good kind, which is that Catricala's speed and range are below-average, his arm is just hitting the mark, and there are some consistency issues. This is quite different from say, a Nate Tenbrink, who has tools to spare but can't put it together with consistency. That kind of player, the ability is there and you're waiting for something to click. With Catricala, you don't have quite the same level of erratic performance, but the tools suggest that the high-end expectation would be sufficiency.
That's not great news. It also puts us back asking ourselves the same basic questions. I don't want to overvalue defense here, but the home park we have already does some of that for us, so do we see Catricala out there in left (after Carp, why not?), or do we see him cycling through corner positions as an "everyday" player without a great spot. OR, do we just put him at DH and hope that 40+ doubles, 20+ HRs, and 50+ BBs about covers it? That's not quite Edgar territory on the walks, though it's pretty good, but even so, where would Carp end up? We're working towards a point in which prospects are trying to establish themselves in lineup spots. Catricala's position, so to speak, may end up being one that's determined by whoever doesn't ultimately get the job done. Of course, even that is somewhat of an ideal scenario, predicated around multiple prospects becoming lineup fixtures. I want to be hopeful wit hthe depth we have now, but I've been burnt before.
As an aside, Catricala was a 50th round pick out of high school by the Indians. This doesn't go a tremendous distance towards atoning for the Choo/Cabrera debacles or 1995, but nevertheless, screw Cleveland.
Another bit which I slipped up on because honestly I have trouble keeping track of new trade acquisitions, but 3B Francisco Martinez (#16) and OF Chih-Hsien Chiang (#18) both made the Eastern League list and I should probably make some comments about them as well.
I was one of probably a dozen people wildly throwing around Carlos Triunfel comparisons around the time of the trade for Martinez, and since part of his SR says "impressive all-around tools but lacks polish because he has been rushed" helps to confirm that. It's pretty much the same thing of him having good power and a not so awesome approach, at least where the bat is concerned. The other side to it is that the defense, while toolsy as all get out, also falls short where consistency is concerned. I just made the Tenbrink reference and I don't feel like making it again, but I believe that Martinez will be given every opportunity to stick at third. Possibly in a return trip to double-A, depending on how things shake out. One of the general scout quotes that came up talked about him treading water in spite of not really being a sure-thing double-A player at this point, and I'd say that's about accurate.
Chiang probably slipped down the list not just due to age, but the fact that he did nothing to impress after heading down to Jackson. There's some talk about the details we all know, diabetes and the like, and that his approach is more about contact than anything else and the pull power comes as an extension of that. They also point out something that I don't think I had an opportunity to touch on at the time because MiLB.com's split system is bad and Minor League Splits is still gone and it still hurts. Chiang actually hit left-handers pretty darned well, which bodes well for him because you'd think that with a pull-oriented approach, opposing pitchers would succeed in jamming him more. It hasn't happened yet, though I guess we'll be on the lookout for it next season. They seem to think that he has enough of an arm to work in right field and that the range is not so hot, so I'm thinking Raul Ibanez as a comp with maybe fewer walks and lawn darts.
You can check out Chiang's performances in the Arizona Fall League right now. They're playing. Franklin and Moore are also playing, and I think Hultzen is starting on Friday. EXCITING. no comments
This has spurred one of the first real discussions of Catricala's tools that I've seen, which I think is probably worth touching on. The hitting is fine, from the tools to the approach, no one is worried about the hitting, but the defense is where people start having trouble with him. We've been able to infer some of this from his shuffling between third, first, and left field. In my experience, people weren't ever talking much about his defense before this, which is usually a bad sign as you want someone who can visibly pick it at third. Here, we have some confirmation and not of the good kind, which is that Catricala's speed and range are below-average, his arm is just hitting the mark, and there are some consistency issues. This is quite different from say, a Nate Tenbrink, who has tools to spare but can't put it together with consistency. That kind of player, the ability is there and you're waiting for something to click. With Catricala, you don't have quite the same level of erratic performance, but the tools suggest that the high-end expectation would be sufficiency.
That's not great news. It also puts us back asking ourselves the same basic questions. I don't want to overvalue defense here, but the home park we have already does some of that for us, so do we see Catricala out there in left (after Carp, why not?), or do we see him cycling through corner positions as an "everyday" player without a great spot. OR, do we just put him at DH and hope that 40+ doubles, 20+ HRs, and 50+ BBs about covers it? That's not quite Edgar territory on the walks, though it's pretty good, but even so, where would Carp end up? We're working towards a point in which prospects are trying to establish themselves in lineup spots. Catricala's position, so to speak, may end up being one that's determined by whoever doesn't ultimately get the job done. Of course, even that is somewhat of an ideal scenario, predicated around multiple prospects becoming lineup fixtures. I want to be hopeful wit hthe depth we have now, but I've been burnt before.
As an aside, Catricala was a 50th round pick out of high school by the Indians. This doesn't go a tremendous distance towards atoning for the Choo/Cabrera debacles or 1995, but nevertheless, screw Cleveland.
Another bit which I slipped up on because honestly I have trouble keeping track of new trade acquisitions, but 3B Francisco Martinez (#16) and OF Chih-Hsien Chiang (#18) both made the Eastern League list and I should probably make some comments about them as well.
I was one of probably a dozen people wildly throwing around Carlos Triunfel comparisons around the time of the trade for Martinez, and since part of his SR says "impressive all-around tools but lacks polish because he has been rushed" helps to confirm that. It's pretty much the same thing of him having good power and a not so awesome approach, at least where the bat is concerned. The other side to it is that the defense, while toolsy as all get out, also falls short where consistency is concerned. I just made the Tenbrink reference and I don't feel like making it again, but I believe that Martinez will be given every opportunity to stick at third. Possibly in a return trip to double-A, depending on how things shake out. One of the general scout quotes that came up talked about him treading water in spite of not really being a sure-thing double-A player at this point, and I'd say that's about accurate.
Chiang probably slipped down the list not just due to age, but the fact that he did nothing to impress after heading down to Jackson. There's some talk about the details we all know, diabetes and the like, and that his approach is more about contact than anything else and the pull power comes as an extension of that. They also point out something that I don't think I had an opportunity to touch on at the time because MiLB.com's split system is bad and Minor League Splits is still gone and it still hurts. Chiang actually hit left-handers pretty darned well, which bodes well for him because you'd think that with a pull-oriented approach, opposing pitchers would succeed in jamming him more. It hasn't happened yet, though I guess we'll be on the lookout for it next season. They seem to think that he has enough of an arm to work in right field and that the range is not so hot, so I'm thinking Raul Ibanez as a comp with maybe fewer walks and lawn darts.
You can check out Chiang's performances in the Arizona Fall League right now. They're playing. Franklin and Moore are also playing, and I think Hultzen is starting on Friday. EXCITING. no comments
It takes a real special kind of prospecting nerd to be able to see that an instructional league roster is posted, and then go "SQUEEEEEE" over it. After all, you'll never see any statistics from it, never hear anything more than maybe passing lipservice to a few of the better prospects, and the results wouldn't even matter that much anyway. It's essentially bizarro spring training for guys who might benefit from some extra time to get certain skills down. Nevertheless, I am such a nerd, and I went "SQUEEEEEE" this morning because there was a subscriber list of instructs rosters posted over at BA.
I don't much see the point of making such a silly thing a subscriber article, but in deference to the hard work they do, I'll comment on it without re-posting in full. I'll note that the summer leaguers or recent signings that are on the roster (this usually suggests an impending promotion to the states) include RHP Jose Flores, RHP Rigoberto Garcia, LHP Wander Marte, RHP Daniel Mata, LHP Luis Pina, RHP Victor Sanchez, RHP Jose Torres, SS Ketel Marte (but not Noe Berro), IF George Soto, OF Jose Leal, OF Rashynol Michel, and OF Janelfry Zorilla are all on the list. Players that you probably weren't thinking of immediately because they were injured, like James Davenport (he's back?) and Dwight Britton are also kicking around. The Mariners have also reported an "advanced league" within the group that seems to be cobbled together from a bunch of guys who have already done some time in full-season ball. So you'd think at least, but then you've got Baron and Hicks in the normal group and Marder in the advanced, Austin Hudson, one of the more valuable relievers for the Mavericks in the normal group and the two American teens from the Aquasox rotation in the advanced. Anyway, if you really care, click on over. It would be weird if you really cared. no comments
I don't much see the point of making such a silly thing a subscriber article, but in deference to the hard work they do, I'll comment on it without re-posting in full. I'll note that the summer leaguers or recent signings that are on the roster (this usually suggests an impending promotion to the states) include RHP Jose Flores, RHP Rigoberto Garcia, LHP Wander Marte, RHP Daniel Mata, LHP Luis Pina, RHP Victor Sanchez, RHP Jose Torres, SS Ketel Marte (but not Noe Berro), IF George Soto, OF Jose Leal, OF Rashynol Michel, and OF Janelfry Zorilla are all on the list. Players that you probably weren't thinking of immediately because they were injured, like James Davenport (he's back?) and Dwight Britton are also kicking around. The Mariners have also reported an "advanced league" within the group that seems to be cobbled together from a bunch of guys who have already done some time in full-season ball. So you'd think at least, but then you've got Baron and Hicks in the normal group and Marder in the advanced, Austin Hudson, one of the more valuable relievers for the Mavericks in the normal group and the two American teens from the Aquasox rotation in the advanced. Anyway, if you really care, click on over. It would be weird if you really cared. no comments
I wasn't really expecting Catricala to show up here, because he's just not the type to make a lot of league lists, but the BA folks did put SS Nick Franklin at #12 on their Top 20 Cal League Prospects list, so it's not as though we went without adequate representation.
There's only so much that I think can be reasonably said about this particular ranking. It's not necessarily a good ranking, or founded in good reasoning, but to set Franklin a few spots higher would create its own set of issues. It's not the scouting report that interests me, because it has the same broad strokes we have read in every Franklin scouting report to date: he's aggressive, makes good contact, probably doesn't have as much power as last season would have led people to believe, and is one of a number of middle infield prospects who draws complaints that he's a future second baseman due to lack of arm strength. Let's not pretend that any of this is new.
What interests me about the ranking is how little we actually know about Franklin after this season. In the Cal League, there was a process at times, one that I'd like to pump up as a big important thing when so many prospects that end in in High Desert develop tendencies that will only hurt them down the road. However, Franklin wasn't all that great even with the process, and in the month or so prior to his promotion, his walk rate and home/road splits had only been getting worse.. We all know what happened from there: he got promoted, ran a .387 wOBA through close to a hundred plate appearances, and then got hit in the head, went down with food poisoning, and contracted mono. There's even a suggestion in the BA list that Franklin's low power in the league was a symptom of the mono before he was officially diagnosed. Franklin did pretty darned well in the Southern League, but a lot of prospects have the capacity to do well or quite poorly in brief appearances in a new environment. It doesn't mean as much as we think it does in most cases.
I would argue that Franklin is probably going to end up as one of the more contentious prospects in the offseason. Some are going to look at him and see the middling performance in the Cal League and begin to write him off as a flash in the pan. Others are going to argue for context and bump up his ranking because his health issues were largely freak incidents and he remains very young for each level he's played at, sort of in the same way that Triunfel still found his way onto a lot of rankings. I don't know which side I come down on because neither assessment or set of expectations feels right to me at the moment. I suppose that people would prefer me to make an argument one way or another, but lacking quality information at present, I just don't want to do it. It's irresponsible.
Southern League rankings are coming next Wednesday, or somewhere in the vicinity of Wednesday.
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There's only so much that I think can be reasonably said about this particular ranking. It's not necessarily a good ranking, or founded in good reasoning, but to set Franklin a few spots higher would create its own set of issues. It's not the scouting report that interests me, because it has the same broad strokes we have read in every Franklin scouting report to date: he's aggressive, makes good contact, probably doesn't have as much power as last season would have led people to believe, and is one of a number of middle infield prospects who draws complaints that he's a future second baseman due to lack of arm strength. Let's not pretend that any of this is new.
What interests me about the ranking is how little we actually know about Franklin after this season. In the Cal League, there was a process at times, one that I'd like to pump up as a big important thing when so many prospects that end in in High Desert develop tendencies that will only hurt them down the road. However, Franklin wasn't all that great even with the process, and in the month or so prior to his promotion, his walk rate and home/road splits had only been getting worse.. We all know what happened from there: he got promoted, ran a .387 wOBA through close to a hundred plate appearances, and then got hit in the head, went down with food poisoning, and contracted mono. There's even a suggestion in the BA list that Franklin's low power in the league was a symptom of the mono before he was officially diagnosed. Franklin did pretty darned well in the Southern League, but a lot of prospects have the capacity to do well or quite poorly in brief appearances in a new environment. It doesn't mean as much as we think it does in most cases.
I would argue that Franklin is probably going to end up as one of the more contentious prospects in the offseason. Some are going to look at him and see the middling performance in the Cal League and begin to write him off as a flash in the pan. Others are going to argue for context and bump up his ranking because his health issues were largely freak incidents and he remains very young for each level he's played at, sort of in the same way that Triunfel still found his way onto a lot of rankings. I don't know which side I come down on because neither assessment or set of expectations feels right to me at the moment. I suppose that people would prefer me to make an argument one way or another, but lacking quality information at present, I just don't want to do it. It's irresponsible.
Southern League rankings are coming next Wednesday, or somewhere in the vicinity of Wednesday.
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It's difficult for me to pay attention to all the prospects around in the Midwest League because, for one thing, sixteen teams, and for another, the unbalanced schedule means there's an entire division's worth of prospects that I remain mostly unaware of. So it surprised me this morning to look up Baseball America's Top 20 Midwest League Prospects and find RHP Taijuan Walker in the #1 spot and LHP James Paxton down at #8. This is a pleasant change from the years in which we had no prospects represented, but Jim Callis, who compiled the list, said a few times that where previous MWL rankings have been headlined by guys like Jay Bruce, Clayton Kershaw, and Mike Trout, this was a weak year where a lot of the top guys ended up in the Sally League instead. He also added that the separation amongs the top guys was not as big as one might think, which is further support for my "I hate lists" stance. I'll take his word for it, though I at least recognize most of the names in the top ten.
From the outset, it would probably be a good idea to put Walker in some kind of context of previous Mariners farmhands that have made a run through the Midwest League. Even though we've switched to Clinton from Wisconsin somewhat recently, the numbers should still be good because the parks played similarly from what I've seen in the factors. Walker, at nineteen as of mid-August, had 18% of batters record hits off him, 10.2% get walks, and 29.4% strike out. He also had a 1.54 GO/AO by MiLB.com's metrics, but I'm not especially fond of using that, particularly in a league like the Midwest, so we'll skip on by that. The last pitching duo for the M's that really got attention in the league was Pineda and Ramirez. Ramirez was more highly thought of at the time and had a hit % of 21.3, a walk % of 7.2, and a K% of 21.5. Pineda managed 19.8% hits, 6.4% walks, and 23.2% Ks. This is one of those situations where I'm learning something from this because, hey, I didn't like Ramirez' walk rate all that much back when he was in the low minors and not only was Walker worse overall, it was his second half that dragged down the numbers more than the first. This sort of runs contrary to the "his command really improved over the course of his time there", but I suppose command and control are different things. I still like Walker a lot, but the free passes make me pause every time I look at his line.
Another thing that I merely found intriguing, and probably in a good way, was the report that his fastball runs from 91-98. What's typical in the top prospect types is that you'll see a separation of about three, maybe four MPH on what is perceived as their average heater and maybe a remark about them touching three MPH faster than that. With Walker, we're getting a range of eight miles, and from what I can gather that's a realistic range for him. No touching, that's just what he does. I do believe I heard that he was throwing with more heat later in the season, which can happen sometimes, but what interests me about it is that when you see a broad range for any pitch, it's usually coming up with the fastball or change-up of soft-tossing left-handers who deliberately take more and more off their pitches because messing with the timing works better for their skillset than trying to blow something by a hitter. If Walker is trying to do the same with his pitches, considering what he has, that's exciting because it's a more refined approach to pitching. There's still talk of him needing a better change and maybe a two-seam, but if that broad range alludes to what I think it does, either those won't end up being as big of a priority or they'll be all the more useful when he does finally get them down.
I guess that means it's Paxton time, so to get the %s out of the way, 19.1% hits, 12.8% walks, and an impressive 34% Ks. The walk rate also dipped to 8.5% once he arrived in Jackson, which is one benefit of using %s over per nines because you'd only get 4.8 vs. 3.0 otherwise. Paxton's momentum right now is probably the best of any starter in the system, Hultzen aside because he's an unknown at the moment. Back in the early part of the season when Paxton was tearing up the league, most of the BA folks were hesitant to get on the wagon, citing his age and such, but if he's here now as a sort of "after the fact" ranking, that probably means that they were sufficiently impressed with his double-A work that including him seemed like the right thing to do (where Alfredo Morales fell off the AZL rankings because he couldn't sustain it in the APL). It makes me hopefuly that we could see him compete for a job at some point next year, though 2013 may be more appropriate. One item that did come up, which I was not previously aware of, was that Paxton's quickness to the plate was rated poorly, which means that we could see some steals against him in the future.
We'll be visiting the California League on Thursday. Franklin could work on that list and Catricala could also make an appearance depending on how they feel about him. I'm not holding my breath for anything else. no comments
From the outset, it would probably be a good idea to put Walker in some kind of context of previous Mariners farmhands that have made a run through the Midwest League. Even though we've switched to Clinton from Wisconsin somewhat recently, the numbers should still be good because the parks played similarly from what I've seen in the factors. Walker, at nineteen as of mid-August, had 18% of batters record hits off him, 10.2% get walks, and 29.4% strike out. He also had a 1.54 GO/AO by MiLB.com's metrics, but I'm not especially fond of using that, particularly in a league like the Midwest, so we'll skip on by that. The last pitching duo for the M's that really got attention in the league was Pineda and Ramirez. Ramirez was more highly thought of at the time and had a hit % of 21.3, a walk % of 7.2, and a K% of 21.5. Pineda managed 19.8% hits, 6.4% walks, and 23.2% Ks. This is one of those situations where I'm learning something from this because, hey, I didn't like Ramirez' walk rate all that much back when he was in the low minors and not only was Walker worse overall, it was his second half that dragged down the numbers more than the first. This sort of runs contrary to the "his command really improved over the course of his time there", but I suppose command and control are different things. I still like Walker a lot, but the free passes make me pause every time I look at his line.
Another thing that I merely found intriguing, and probably in a good way, was the report that his fastball runs from 91-98. What's typical in the top prospect types is that you'll see a separation of about three, maybe four MPH on what is perceived as their average heater and maybe a remark about them touching three MPH faster than that. With Walker, we're getting a range of eight miles, and from what I can gather that's a realistic range for him. No touching, that's just what he does. I do believe I heard that he was throwing with more heat later in the season, which can happen sometimes, but what interests me about it is that when you see a broad range for any pitch, it's usually coming up with the fastball or change-up of soft-tossing left-handers who deliberately take more and more off their pitches because messing with the timing works better for their skillset than trying to blow something by a hitter. If Walker is trying to do the same with his pitches, considering what he has, that's exciting because it's a more refined approach to pitching. There's still talk of him needing a better change and maybe a two-seam, but if that broad range alludes to what I think it does, either those won't end up being as big of a priority or they'll be all the more useful when he does finally get them down.
I guess that means it's Paxton time, so to get the %s out of the way, 19.1% hits, 12.8% walks, and an impressive 34% Ks. The walk rate also dipped to 8.5% once he arrived in Jackson, which is one benefit of using %s over per nines because you'd only get 4.8 vs. 3.0 otherwise. Paxton's momentum right now is probably the best of any starter in the system, Hultzen aside because he's an unknown at the moment. Back in the early part of the season when Paxton was tearing up the league, most of the BA folks were hesitant to get on the wagon, citing his age and such, but if he's here now as a sort of "after the fact" ranking, that probably means that they were sufficiently impressed with his double-A work that including him seemed like the right thing to do (where Alfredo Morales fell off the AZL rankings because he couldn't sustain it in the APL). It makes me hopefuly that we could see him compete for a job at some point next year, though 2013 may be more appropriate. One item that did come up, which I was not previously aware of, was that Paxton's quickness to the plate was rated poorly, which means that we could see some steals against him in the future.
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Baseball America first made me aware of this story, so props to them, and a German press release can be found for those of you who read the language (it's on my "to do" list, I swear). From this, we can conclude that RHP Daniel Thieben is going to be one of our rare signings out of that country, possibly the first since I've been paying attention or longer.
The BA report on him is basically that of a prep pitcher that would be taken somewhere between the sixth and tenth rounds in a lot of drafts. He's tall (6'4), projectible (190 lbs), and has some present velocity which could turn into more down the road (high 80s). What separates him from a lot of other pitchers with similar profiles is that his breaking ball rates quite well and that's not necessarily a common thing among incoming international pitchers. I can't find any video on him beyond this, which I assume is him on the mound during a tourney and only lasts a pitch. As a video baseball faux analyst, it's my obligation to point out that the delivery is over the top, but semes a little mechanical at the outset and seems to lose its balance towards the end. Edit: Actually, since that's a left-hander on the mound, this just seems weird. I've seen no mention of Thieben being a two-way player but it's possible that he was playing first? Whether this is just that pitch or a recurrent thing is something that we'll have to determine somehow later, but if someone manages to track down some video feed for the Baseball World Cup, we will be able to see him start and how he fares. Since his competition is likely to be a lot more advanced than what he's accustomed to, I don't know if I'm eager to look it up.
In the greater scheme of things, this seems to point to a recent trend we've had of signing pitchers, not position players out of Europe. We've had the Dutchmen of Jeroen de Haas, Scott Ronnenbergh, and now Lars Huijer all debut, but none of them have made that much of an impact as of yet. In fact, de Haas has been released, along with LHP Brandol Perez (haha last year), IF Yidid Batista, and OF Rigoberto Rangel, and of those four, de Haas has probably been the least surprising of the bunch. Our track record with signing pitchers from obscure parts of the baseball world is not especially good (Oleg Korneev! Chao Wang!), though we seem to at least get some value out of even the lesser hitters (Sams, Phillips). I'm not trying to make any sweeping conclusions from this observation, it was just something that got me thinking. no comments
The BA report on him is basically that of a prep pitcher that would be taken somewhere between the sixth and tenth rounds in a lot of drafts. He's tall (6'4), projectible (190 lbs), and has some present velocity which could turn into more down the road (high 80s). What separates him from a lot of other pitchers with similar profiles is that his breaking ball rates quite well and that's not necessarily a common thing among incoming international pitchers. I can't find any video on him beyond this, which I assume is him on the mound during a tourney and only lasts a pitch. As a video baseball faux analyst, it's my obligation to point out that the delivery is over the top, but semes a little mechanical at the outset and seems to lose its balance towards the end. Edit: Actually, since that's a left-hander on the mound, this just seems weird. I've seen no mention of Thieben being a two-way player but it's possible that he was playing first? Whether this is just that pitch or a recurrent thing is something that we'll have to determine somehow later, but if someone manages to track down some video feed for the Baseball World Cup, we will be able to see him start and how he fares. Since his competition is likely to be a lot more advanced than what he's accustomed to, I don't know if I'm eager to look it up.
In the greater scheme of things, this seems to point to a recent trend we've had of signing pitchers, not position players out of Europe. We've had the Dutchmen of Jeroen de Haas, Scott Ronnenbergh, and now Lars Huijer all debut, but none of them have made that much of an impact as of yet. In fact, de Haas has been released, along with LHP Brandol Perez (haha last year), IF Yidid Batista, and OF Rigoberto Rangel, and of those four, de Haas has probably been the least surprising of the bunch. Our track record with signing pitchers from obscure parts of the baseball world is not especially good (Oleg Korneev! Chao Wang!), though we seem to at least get some value out of even the lesser hitters (Sams, Phillips). I'm not trying to make any sweeping conclusions from this observation, it was just something that got me thinking. no comments
Presents! I'm sure there are a few people that are mad about the NYPL being pushed back a couple of days, but nuts to them, it's our time to shine. We got two guys in the Northwest League Top 20, and said dudes are RHP Jose Campos at #3 and RF Jabari Blash at #11. I'm sure some other pitchers may have had some passing consideration like Shipers, Landazuri, and Hobson, but really, it was about these two guys being awesome, and I'm cool with that.
I think that thing that should probably come up immediately in our discussion of Sr. Campos is that they're still calling him Jose so I guess I'll have to do the same, and the second is that he isn't Felix Hernandez. Campos just finished his third pro season, turned nineteen almost two months ago, got through fourteen starts averaging between five and two-thirds and six inning each time out, and ran rate stats of 7.3 H/9, 1.4 BB/9, and 9.4 K/9. Felix was in his first pro season in Everett at seventeen, got only eleven appearances (seven starts) in and 55.0 innings before being moved to Wisconsin, just so he could hit every stop, and had rate stats of 6.8 H/9, 3.5 BB/9, and 11.9 K/9. Very different in certain respects. Felix, back in his day, had that great curveball and a whole lot of velocity, but the speed aside, his fastball was found wanting in other areas which were exposed in his first few major league seasons. Campos has similar heat and far better command of it, but his secondary offerings aren't doing it just yet and we'll need to see those come along in order for him to project the way we all want him to. I would say that, for this level, he's more similar to Pineda than he is to Felix, with better velocity than Pineda had at the same age. That isn't so bad!
Blash was probably just talented enough to get on here because, as Conor pointed out, he led the league in xbh and slugging. That's pretty awesome for an eighth-round pick. In the subscriber link, there are also some fantastic anecdotes about him destroying both pitches and bats in the same swing. The new bit of data is that he is a little passive at the plate, which might help to explain both the strikeouts and the walks we saw this season. There are flaws in the swing too, which doesn't help the situation, but we've seen certain guys in the past have similar issues from a similar approach. TJ Bohn is always the stupid example that comes to my mind because I was a big TJ Bohn fan, but I think Saunders is one guy that would also fit. If the holes in the swing could be fixed, that might help give him increased confidence to be more aggressive [somewhere, Eric Wedge's ears perk up], but if a lot of prospects fixed their major flaws they'd end up becoming amazing, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Midwest League is still Tuesday unless they play musical chairs again. no comments
I think that thing that should probably come up immediately in our discussion of Sr. Campos is that they're still calling him Jose so I guess I'll have to do the same, and the second is that he isn't Felix Hernandez. Campos just finished his third pro season, turned nineteen almost two months ago, got through fourteen starts averaging between five and two-thirds and six inning each time out, and ran rate stats of 7.3 H/9, 1.4 BB/9, and 9.4 K/9. Felix was in his first pro season in Everett at seventeen, got only eleven appearances (seven starts) in and 55.0 innings before being moved to Wisconsin, just so he could hit every stop, and had rate stats of 6.8 H/9, 3.5 BB/9, and 11.9 K/9. Very different in certain respects. Felix, back in his day, had that great curveball and a whole lot of velocity, but the speed aside, his fastball was found wanting in other areas which were exposed in his first few major league seasons. Campos has similar heat and far better command of it, but his secondary offerings aren't doing it just yet and we'll need to see those come along in order for him to project the way we all want him to. I would say that, for this level, he's more similar to Pineda than he is to Felix, with better velocity than Pineda had at the same age. That isn't so bad!
Blash was probably just talented enough to get on here because, as Conor pointed out, he led the league in xbh and slugging. That's pretty awesome for an eighth-round pick. In the subscriber link, there are also some fantastic anecdotes about him destroying both pitches and bats in the same swing. The new bit of data is that he is a little passive at the plate, which might help to explain both the strikeouts and the walks we saw this season. There are flaws in the swing too, which doesn't help the situation, but we've seen certain guys in the past have similar issues from a similar approach. TJ Bohn is always the stupid example that comes to my mind because I was a big TJ Bohn fan, but I think Saunders is one guy that would also fit. If the holes in the swing could be fixed, that might help give him increased confidence to be more aggressive [somewhere, Eric Wedge's ears perk up], but if a lot of prospects fixed their major flaws they'd end up becoming amazing, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Midwest League is still Tuesday unless they play musical chairs again. no comments
What? I was out. So Baseball America got together their second list that we will pay attention to and that had OF Guillermo Pimentel as the 14th best prospect in the Appalachian League amidst a bunch of other Rays prospects from the Pacific Northwest. Le sigh. College players weren't getting much love in this, so that puts Paolini and Austin on the outs, and the international players like Lara, Acevedo, and Nunez were enigmas too much of the time. The international pitchers? Yeah, let's say the same for them. Or age.
So Pimentel slipped quite a ways from his AZL #1 last year, which is something that, I don't know, will surprise someone. For me, it's something that I can see because Pimentel's high status last season was mostly on potential and this year wasn't one where he really built a lot on to his reputation. His xbh rate went down to about a third in the less-friendly Appalachian League, but on the plus side he went from striking out in 30.2% of his plate appearances to 27.4% of his plate appearances and increased his walk rate from 2.6% to 5.6%. Wow! That more than doubled! Anyway, he slipped towards the end of the season and I suppose that would contribute to him and someone like Ambioris Hidalgo not getting recognition for otherwise positive seasons. Like I said, this wasn't exactly a breakout, just another season of some minor improvements and sustaining the status quo elsewhere. He still profiles as a bat-first left fielder, and I suppose one has to hit a bit better for that to work out.
For what it's worth, the chat, hosted by the always entertaining Matt Eddy, had Nunez mentioned as the "most improved player" on the team, which is interesting in that unless you have a couple of data points by which to judge where that puts him, such labels are all but fluff. I said earlier that if I wasn't talking about Jharmidy de Jesus and his deferred potential, I'd probably be talking up Nunez. I'll stick by that. By the way, there was another question in the chat asking why there were so many college guys, and Eddy responded by saying there were only two and asking the other fellow to e-mail his list. Hilarious.
We will next scrutinize the NWL list on Monday followed by the MWL on Tuesday which will probably have Taijuan Walker and not much else because that league has way too many teams. You guys, seriously. no comments
So Pimentel slipped quite a ways from his AZL #1 last year, which is something that, I don't know, will surprise someone. For me, it's something that I can see because Pimentel's high status last season was mostly on potential and this year wasn't one where he really built a lot on to his reputation. His xbh rate went down to about a third in the less-friendly Appalachian League, but on the plus side he went from striking out in 30.2% of his plate appearances to 27.4% of his plate appearances and increased his walk rate from 2.6% to 5.6%. Wow! That more than doubled! Anyway, he slipped towards the end of the season and I suppose that would contribute to him and someone like Ambioris Hidalgo not getting recognition for otherwise positive seasons. Like I said, this wasn't exactly a breakout, just another season of some minor improvements and sustaining the status quo elsewhere. He still profiles as a bat-first left fielder, and I suppose one has to hit a bit better for that to work out.
For what it's worth, the chat, hosted by the always entertaining Matt Eddy, had Nunez mentioned as the "most improved player" on the team, which is interesting in that unless you have a couple of data points by which to judge where that puts him, such labels are all but fluff. I said earlier that if I wasn't talking about Jharmidy de Jesus and his deferred potential, I'd probably be talking up Nunez. I'll stick by that. By the way, there was another question in the chat asking why there were so many college guys, and Eddy responded by saying there were only two and asking the other fellow to e-mail his list. Hilarious.
We will next scrutinize the NWL list on Monday followed by the MWL on Tuesday which will probably have Taijuan Walker and not much else because that league has way too many teams. You guys, seriously. no comments
I forgot how quickly list season gets here. The Baseball America 2011 Arizona League Top 20 Prospects was the first to be released and feature a lot of names off the international market, though if you expected it to be roughly ranked by bonus amount, you'd be wrong. So wrong. Seriously, the #1 guy signed for $135k. Anyway, the overall rankings had OF Phillips Castillo come in at second and IF Martin/Esteilon Peguero come in at #20, though that ranking seems to be largely about hope. The chat briefly suggested Morales could have been on the list, but didn't translate to the Appy League as well as hoped, which isn't something I'd be inclined to make a fuss about.
The selection of Castillo isn't too surprising. He was ranked as one of the most advanced bats in his class and did nothing to dissuade that notion this season. Certainly, we would all like it if he walked a little more and hit for additional power, but his OBP was a good sixty-six points above his average and he tied the league lead in doubles, so we can expect some of that power to translate later. I suppose the "strikeouts in roughly a third of his plate appearances" thing is more concerning. He's also a projected left fielder along with a bunch of other outfielders currently in system, which could be a might bit problematic in the long run, but at seventeen and in the Arizona League, he's practically an egg.
Peguero's ranking seems more reflective of how far his star has fallen in the past year and a half. First he was the consensus top prospect on the international market (or one of them), then he signed late, then he got a large portion of his bonus removed for reasons still unclear, then he went from an awesome name like Esteilon to a sort of blah name like Martin (sorry Martins), and then he didn't hit or field very well. It's strange to look back on because I remember when reading the July scouting reports from back in the day, it seemed like Castillo's value was tied to his ability to hit, for which there were few questions about his long-term power, but Peguero's bat seemed the type that he would need to both hit and defend sufficiently in order to have much value. He didn't do extraordinarily well on either front, and the suspicions that he might have to move to second are cropping up sooner, and with some tools reasons attached. I'm sure they'll work him like a dog in instructs, but it's still a tad worrisome.
Just to throw it out there, the BA tradition is to post a "Five Years Ago" lineup of how the lists played out. They got the top three of Hank Conger, Jeremy Jeffress, and Cedric Hunter to the big leagues, but then it drops to Luis Durango and Jose Ceda at thirteen and fourteen and Carlos Peguero (!) and Warner Madrigal at eighteen and nineteen. Former first base mancrush Gerardo Avila (this was back in the day when we had no viable first baseman unless you want to count LaHair) ranked six spots ahead of Peguero and didn't play all of this season. I know that some of these guys are likely still on the way as five years is still too soon for the AZL in certain cases, but it's still an indicator of the volatility of the rankings at this level.
I also delivered a long, three-question interview mostly about the draft and pitching at Pro Ball NW over the weekend. Toot toot. no comments
The selection of Castillo isn't too surprising. He was ranked as one of the most advanced bats in his class and did nothing to dissuade that notion this season. Certainly, we would all like it if he walked a little more and hit for additional power, but his OBP was a good sixty-six points above his average and he tied the league lead in doubles, so we can expect some of that power to translate later. I suppose the "strikeouts in roughly a third of his plate appearances" thing is more concerning. He's also a projected left fielder along with a bunch of other outfielders currently in system, which could be a might bit problematic in the long run, but at seventeen and in the Arizona League, he's practically an egg.
Peguero's ranking seems more reflective of how far his star has fallen in the past year and a half. First he was the consensus top prospect on the international market (or one of them), then he signed late, then he got a large portion of his bonus removed for reasons still unclear, then he went from an awesome name like Esteilon to a sort of blah name like Martin (sorry Martins), and then he didn't hit or field very well. It's strange to look back on because I remember when reading the July scouting reports from back in the day, it seemed like Castillo's value was tied to his ability to hit, for which there were few questions about his long-term power, but Peguero's bat seemed the type that he would need to both hit and defend sufficiently in order to have much value. He didn't do extraordinarily well on either front, and the suspicions that he might have to move to second are cropping up sooner, and with some tools reasons attached. I'm sure they'll work him like a dog in instructs, but it's still a tad worrisome.
Just to throw it out there, the BA tradition is to post a "Five Years Ago" lineup of how the lists played out. They got the top three of Hank Conger, Jeremy Jeffress, and Cedric Hunter to the big leagues, but then it drops to Luis Durango and Jose Ceda at thirteen and fourteen and Carlos Peguero (!) and Warner Madrigal at eighteen and nineteen. Former first base mancrush Gerardo Avila (this was back in the day when we had no viable first baseman unless you want to count LaHair) ranked six spots ahead of Peguero and didn't play all of this season. I know that some of these guys are likely still on the way as five years is still too soon for the AZL in certain cases, but it's still an indicator of the volatility of the rankings at this level.
I also delivered a long, three-question interview mostly about the draft and pitching at Pro Ball NW over the weekend. Toot toot. no comments
Whenever someone shows up for a Q & A session, I always treat it like some kind of exciting and novel experience. I don't know why anymore, considering my tendency to ask weird questions that I didn't have answers for kind of got me blacklisted in BA chats for a while, and considering that the front office folks, while nice enough to come out to the LL/USSM events, don't generally tell anything that I wasn't already somewhat aware of. But when Pedro Grifol was reported to be coming on the radio side a couple of nights ago in the postgame show, I listened to an ultimately disappointing game in order to get to it and then took furious notes throughout. And again, I wasn't super surprised by anything, but in the interest of spreading some wealth of information, I'm going to share a rather large post outlining what happened, with a lot of paraphrase (probably no actual quotes) and some commentary.
* I'll start with the more general questions in no set order and try to move from there. There were a lot of responses to things that espoused an organization philosophy with regard to player development. One thing Pedro got on the table right away was a reference to the training program they instituted a few years ago and that at the end of the season, they bring in each guy to work with their people and equipment to determine a plan of action for the offseason in terms of skills and conditioning. He admitted that without the game situations, there's only so much that can be done, but the goal is to provide some kind of input for each to take on their own. Suffice to say, it's a more proactive approach than just waiting on a guy to spend an offseason going nuts in a weight room so that he can show up to spring training In the Best Shape of his Life.
The second general question regarded Ackley/Seager/Vasquez and the point that guys who were on a college diamond two years ago are in the big leagues right now. Pedro wasn't particularly elaborate in his response here, he just gave the standard credit to McNamara and said that if you draft good players, they'll move fast. Sort of a no-brainer response which acts as a subtle indictment of the previous regime. I would say that as the younger core of this team starts to coalesce a bit, they may be more willing to invest in a longer development cycle for guys with good make-up but raw skills at present. We've seen a little bit of this in June's returns as they were willing to take the time with guys like Marlette, Cohoes, Guarnaccia, White, Scammell, and Valenza (maybe even Marder) who had interesting physical talents, but otherwise weren't quite there yet.
The third general question was probably one that everyone would be most interested in hearing a reply to, what with the recent concern over aggressiveness, and that was "hey buddy, are you training these kids to do that?" The answer of course, was no, and to a lesser extent, yes. What he talked about was the notion of controlled aggressiveness and having guys on the look for their pitch and attacking said pitch. That isn't quite happening now. Big surprise, huh? Again, the refrain was that it needs to be individualized and guys need to understand who they are as hitters and what they can do and what they need to work on, and perhaps to lay off certain bendy things that look funny. That means that there are probably will continue to be some strikeout prone hitters in the system and they'll do what they can to temper that. It's not so easy as going out there and saying "hey you, swing less stupid." Coaching is rarely that simple.
The fourth general point may be me combining a couple of things (my notes, as ever, are barely comprehensible and written in code). It sort of ties into the second point, about drafting good questions, but the question was posed about what kind of adjustments guys need to make getting up to this level. Pedro pretty much said "the game is faster in the big leagues," which is a funny way of looking at it, but probably entirely accurate. There's less margin of error with guys making mistakes and the process has weeded out those that couldn't adapt. As Pedro said, adjustments need to be made on the fly and there isn't really a comfort zone as there might be elsewhere. But when the question came up of how many at-bats or innings they wanted to see from a guy before he moved up a level, the answer that came out went back to the old "it depends on the individual and no ideal number exists," which made me happy. It's not really a point of discussion that we can use to go "graaaagh that's too long and studies have shown…" or "no way that's too fast I can't handle it", but I don't really care about that as most of those debates are silly. I guess we'll just have to trust them on this from now on!
* When Francisco Martinez came up in the conversation pretty early on, Pedro immediately noted that other people had seen him play, but he hadn't made it out there yet to give his own evaluation. Consequently, what we got were some stock quotes: above-average tools, lots of power (probably raw power as opposed to game power at this point), can run a bit, etc. The only thing that I would say was new to me was the news that Martinez would play for Magallanes in the LVBP this winter. Now, someone is probably saying in response to that, "why not Lara? Don't we have the agreement with them?" and yes, we do, but it's been fairly common each year to have prospects who have hooked up with either their local team or a team that they've had a previous relationship with. If Martinez wants to stick with Magallanes, that's okay by me.
* Catricala was the next player-specific question, which isn't so surprising as there are a few people in Internetland who are wont to talk about him. Pedro didn't really have anything to say that any of us wouldn't have already expected. "He's hit at every level" (oh yeah?), "he's sort of versatile in that he can play third, first, or left" (yeah, and…?), "his bat plays at those positions" (oh good), and "we'll move him as his performance dictates" (okay!). This seemed to be more of a primer for those who had never heard of the guy before, so it was unlikely to satisfy any of the people who pose me these questions and might have been listening, For what it's worth, he seemed more effusive about Martinez' tools as a third baseman, so you might think that he's more a LF/1B type except that we have like a billion players vying for that job.
* The responses on Taijuan Walker were way, way more interesting in the greater scheme of things because there was the implicit assumption that we already knew who the guy was and the kinds of pitches that he threw. The latest is that he's moving to Arizona to be in close proximity to the training facilities, which I feel like I could add any number of exclamation points to the end to. We knew he was an interesting physical talent, but he's fully committed to this pitching thing and doing all he can do and that is just dope. The word is that that really intended to hold him back and put him in Everett, but after a few starts in extended they just looked at each other and decided that holding him back further would be foolish. Even though he's still really young, he'll move as his performance dictates.
* As Walker questions come, so Paxton questions followed. The first question was "were you surprised?" and the answer was no, no one was surprised. What they like about him beyond the stuff is that he's a competitor (okay…) and supposedly has this sort of presence on the mound and in the clubhouse. He wants to beat the batter on every pitch, which is good, I think. From here, he's going to get his own recommendations from the training crew and go through his offseason work, which is a roundabout way of saying, "no winter ball for you". * I think everyone's clear now on the bullpen needing help where it can get it, because we have a substitute teacher and a bartender out there now and they're two of our best guys. For that reason, Stephen Pryor came up next, and the biggest bit of news there is that he's headed to Lara for the offseason. What followed was a brief outline of him and his abilities, and I started to tune out, but then they mentioned that he was a little sore in the minicamp and this was the reason he was down in extended to start the year and was slow to get going. Back when he began his year in High Desert, he was in his spring training mode, much like what we saw with Guti to start the year.
* Next up on the docket was Littlewood and his conversion to catcher. I'm pretty sure I've already talked about it a bit, citing that physically it makes sense, good hands, kind of big/durable, good/accurate arm, but lacking speed, which might hurt him long-term up the middle. Pedro was pretty insistent that Littlewood could play up the middle and that there wasn't a question of that, and I guess I'll defer to his judgment, though from a tools standpoint they thought that catcher would be a fit, with good catching being hard to find (WE DRAFTED SO MANY). This was all something that came up in spring training. So, Littlewood sat down and talked with Roger Hansen and they started doing some drills and the like. I suppose the big thing is that he was reportedly excited about the transition and wants to go forward with it, which is really different from a lot of the "well, okay, if you really want me to…" sorts of transitions we've sometimes seen at the major league level these past several years. * A question was posed towards the end which was, in so many words, "Carlos Triunfel: what's up?" Pedro's response was pretty much what I expected it to be. There was little mention of his offense, but the matter of his recent injury history came up almost immediately with the discussion of a lost year of development, etc. Something that will probably surprise some is that Pedro said, paraphrased, "if he plays himself off shortstop, he will do it in the big leagues." This syncs up with the whole "keep guys at their most demanding defensive position" thing that the org has adhered to coming up (Seager is sort of an exception, but rules are bent to accommodate openings).
* Towards the end, x questions in, we finally got to the question of Nick Franklin, and with it, official confirmation of concussion, then food poisoning, THEN mono. Important matters of chronology there. The question was framed around whether he would be more offensive-minded or if he was the whole package, and that wasn't answered directly. Pedro talked about how the numbers weren't there in Adelanto, but they loved the process, and I agree to a certain extent in that the process seemed to be present early on, but then all the injuries. As one might expect, he was also trying to rush his way back way too quickly and was pretty much on the first plane out as soon as they cleared him. There was some discussion of loving his play at second and seeing little lost in the transition.
* The next question was the inevitable segue from the previous point, which was "can you see Ackley in center in five years? Would that be crazy?" The answer was no, not crazy, but it's probably not going to be necessary considering how far he's come in the past few years, and the fact is that they love that production from him at that position. I don't think anyone's going to disagree at this point. * The final question was how involved Eric Wedge was in the player development, which I suppose is a relevant item as the pitching philosophies that were disseminated to the minor leagues were often the same as those held by the pitching coach in recent years. The question was answered via various managerial platitudes. In my notes, I have "CLEAN FUNDAMENTAL BASEBALL" in all caps, and that should convey what it needs to. There are certain expectations held and they'll tell you what they are and how to get there, the Mariners way thing that he's talked about before. They like that he's taken interest, because rookies are something one should have to deal with every so often, and they appreciate that he's fiery and the like while I sit and think to myself "you know, the way 'fiery' is spelled is really peculiar". I wonder now how the old "bring back Lou" crowd is faring with a fiery new manager. They probably would still like more. I don't know.
And that's the outlined version of it, or as much as I was really paying attention to. Again, there was nothing revelatory that caused me to fall out of my chair and scream "now I get it!" (Walker moving to Arizona came close). Good notes overall, and probably fit well with the level of knowledge that his audience had anyway. Trying to talk too much about Campos or someone like that probably wouldn't have gone over as well. no comments
* I'll start with the more general questions in no set order and try to move from there. There were a lot of responses to things that espoused an organization philosophy with regard to player development. One thing Pedro got on the table right away was a reference to the training program they instituted a few years ago and that at the end of the season, they bring in each guy to work with their people and equipment to determine a plan of action for the offseason in terms of skills and conditioning. He admitted that without the game situations, there's only so much that can be done, but the goal is to provide some kind of input for each to take on their own. Suffice to say, it's a more proactive approach than just waiting on a guy to spend an offseason going nuts in a weight room so that he can show up to spring training In the Best Shape of his Life.
The second general question regarded Ackley/Seager/Vasquez and the point that guys who were on a college diamond two years ago are in the big leagues right now. Pedro wasn't particularly elaborate in his response here, he just gave the standard credit to McNamara and said that if you draft good players, they'll move fast. Sort of a no-brainer response which acts as a subtle indictment of the previous regime. I would say that as the younger core of this team starts to coalesce a bit, they may be more willing to invest in a longer development cycle for guys with good make-up but raw skills at present. We've seen a little bit of this in June's returns as they were willing to take the time with guys like Marlette, Cohoes, Guarnaccia, White, Scammell, and Valenza (maybe even Marder) who had interesting physical talents, but otherwise weren't quite there yet.
The third general question was probably one that everyone would be most interested in hearing a reply to, what with the recent concern over aggressiveness, and that was "hey buddy, are you training these kids to do that?" The answer of course, was no, and to a lesser extent, yes. What he talked about was the notion of controlled aggressiveness and having guys on the look for their pitch and attacking said pitch. That isn't quite happening now. Big surprise, huh? Again, the refrain was that it needs to be individualized and guys need to understand who they are as hitters and what they can do and what they need to work on, and perhaps to lay off certain bendy things that look funny. That means that there are probably will continue to be some strikeout prone hitters in the system and they'll do what they can to temper that. It's not so easy as going out there and saying "hey you, swing less stupid." Coaching is rarely that simple.
The fourth general point may be me combining a couple of things (my notes, as ever, are barely comprehensible and written in code). It sort of ties into the second point, about drafting good questions, but the question was posed about what kind of adjustments guys need to make getting up to this level. Pedro pretty much said "the game is faster in the big leagues," which is a funny way of looking at it, but probably entirely accurate. There's less margin of error with guys making mistakes and the process has weeded out those that couldn't adapt. As Pedro said, adjustments need to be made on the fly and there isn't really a comfort zone as there might be elsewhere. But when the question came up of how many at-bats or innings they wanted to see from a guy before he moved up a level, the answer that came out went back to the old "it depends on the individual and no ideal number exists," which made me happy. It's not really a point of discussion that we can use to go "graaaagh that's too long and studies have shown…" or "no way that's too fast I can't handle it", but I don't really care about that as most of those debates are silly. I guess we'll just have to trust them on this from now on!
* When Francisco Martinez came up in the conversation pretty early on, Pedro immediately noted that other people had seen him play, but he hadn't made it out there yet to give his own evaluation. Consequently, what we got were some stock quotes: above-average tools, lots of power (probably raw power as opposed to game power at this point), can run a bit, etc. The only thing that I would say was new to me was the news that Martinez would play for Magallanes in the LVBP this winter. Now, someone is probably saying in response to that, "why not Lara? Don't we have the agreement with them?" and yes, we do, but it's been fairly common each year to have prospects who have hooked up with either their local team or a team that they've had a previous relationship with. If Martinez wants to stick with Magallanes, that's okay by me.
* Catricala was the next player-specific question, which isn't so surprising as there are a few people in Internetland who are wont to talk about him. Pedro didn't really have anything to say that any of us wouldn't have already expected. "He's hit at every level" (oh yeah?), "he's sort of versatile in that he can play third, first, or left" (yeah, and…?), "his bat plays at those positions" (oh good), and "we'll move him as his performance dictates" (okay!). This seemed to be more of a primer for those who had never heard of the guy before, so it was unlikely to satisfy any of the people who pose me these questions and might have been listening, For what it's worth, he seemed more effusive about Martinez' tools as a third baseman, so you might think that he's more a LF/1B type except that we have like a billion players vying for that job.
* The responses on Taijuan Walker were way, way more interesting in the greater scheme of things because there was the implicit assumption that we already knew who the guy was and the kinds of pitches that he threw. The latest is that he's moving to Arizona to be in close proximity to the training facilities, which I feel like I could add any number of exclamation points to the end to. We knew he was an interesting physical talent, but he's fully committed to this pitching thing and doing all he can do and that is just dope. The word is that that really intended to hold him back and put him in Everett, but after a few starts in extended they just looked at each other and decided that holding him back further would be foolish. Even though he's still really young, he'll move as his performance dictates.
* As Walker questions come, so Paxton questions followed. The first question was "were you surprised?" and the answer was no, no one was surprised. What they like about him beyond the stuff is that he's a competitor (okay…) and supposedly has this sort of presence on the mound and in the clubhouse. He wants to beat the batter on every pitch, which is good, I think. From here, he's going to get his own recommendations from the training crew and go through his offseason work, which is a roundabout way of saying, "no winter ball for you". * I think everyone's clear now on the bullpen needing help where it can get it, because we have a substitute teacher and a bartender out there now and they're two of our best guys. For that reason, Stephen Pryor came up next, and the biggest bit of news there is that he's headed to Lara for the offseason. What followed was a brief outline of him and his abilities, and I started to tune out, but then they mentioned that he was a little sore in the minicamp and this was the reason he was down in extended to start the year and was slow to get going. Back when he began his year in High Desert, he was in his spring training mode, much like what we saw with Guti to start the year.
* Next up on the docket was Littlewood and his conversion to catcher. I'm pretty sure I've already talked about it a bit, citing that physically it makes sense, good hands, kind of big/durable, good/accurate arm, but lacking speed, which might hurt him long-term up the middle. Pedro was pretty insistent that Littlewood could play up the middle and that there wasn't a question of that, and I guess I'll defer to his judgment, though from a tools standpoint they thought that catcher would be a fit, with good catching being hard to find (WE DRAFTED SO MANY). This was all something that came up in spring training. So, Littlewood sat down and talked with Roger Hansen and they started doing some drills and the like. I suppose the big thing is that he was reportedly excited about the transition and wants to go forward with it, which is really different from a lot of the "well, okay, if you really want me to…" sorts of transitions we've sometimes seen at the major league level these past several years. * A question was posed towards the end which was, in so many words, "Carlos Triunfel: what's up?" Pedro's response was pretty much what I expected it to be. There was little mention of his offense, but the matter of his recent injury history came up almost immediately with the discussion of a lost year of development, etc. Something that will probably surprise some is that Pedro said, paraphrased, "if he plays himself off shortstop, he will do it in the big leagues." This syncs up with the whole "keep guys at their most demanding defensive position" thing that the org has adhered to coming up (Seager is sort of an exception, but rules are bent to accommodate openings).
* Towards the end, x questions in, we finally got to the question of Nick Franklin, and with it, official confirmation of concussion, then food poisoning, THEN mono. Important matters of chronology there. The question was framed around whether he would be more offensive-minded or if he was the whole package, and that wasn't answered directly. Pedro talked about how the numbers weren't there in Adelanto, but they loved the process, and I agree to a certain extent in that the process seemed to be present early on, but then all the injuries. As one might expect, he was also trying to rush his way back way too quickly and was pretty much on the first plane out as soon as they cleared him. There was some discussion of loving his play at second and seeing little lost in the transition.
* The next question was the inevitable segue from the previous point, which was "can you see Ackley in center in five years? Would that be crazy?" The answer was no, not crazy, but it's probably not going to be necessary considering how far he's come in the past few years, and the fact is that they love that production from him at that position. I don't think anyone's going to disagree at this point. * The final question was how involved Eric Wedge was in the player development, which I suppose is a relevant item as the pitching philosophies that were disseminated to the minor leagues were often the same as those held by the pitching coach in recent years. The question was answered via various managerial platitudes. In my notes, I have "CLEAN FUNDAMENTAL BASEBALL" in all caps, and that should convey what it needs to. There are certain expectations held and they'll tell you what they are and how to get there, the Mariners way thing that he's talked about before. They like that he's taken interest, because rookies are something one should have to deal with every so often, and they appreciate that he's fiery and the like while I sit and think to myself "you know, the way 'fiery' is spelled is really peculiar". I wonder now how the old "bring back Lou" crowd is faring with a fiery new manager. They probably would still like more. I don't know.
And that's the outlined version of it, or as much as I was really paying attention to. Again, there was nothing revelatory that caused me to fall out of my chair and scream "now I get it!" (Walker moving to Arizona came close). Good notes overall, and probably fit well with the level of knowledge that his audience had anyway. Trying to talk too much about Campos or someone like that probably wouldn't have gone over as well. no comments
